A rose by any other name.... tigrinum?

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quietaustralian

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For many years I've pronounced tigrinum ... tig ri num but I find that I'm often corrected. Most often I'm told the pronunciation should be Ty ger i num (with the i sounding like the i in tiger and not the i in tigris ie Panthera tigris (Tiger) which is similar to the (i) in big.

How do you pronounce tigrinum?


Regards and thanks, Mick
 
Tie grih num

This one for me as well. Of course, I am the only person I have ever heard say it out loud.
 
Somebody get Cribb or Koopowitz to write a book with the proper pronunciations of every orchid genera and species. Then we can all be proper. Or pissed off that they chose a pronunciation we don't agree with. :rollhappy:

Until then, it's tie-grih-num and neo-fin-et-ia and wars-suh-wick-zee-anum-ay-pal-ooza-docious.

Ok, I made that last one up.
 
You don't need a book of pronunciation. You only have to pronounce the names as they were and are given in latin. Then no matter what language we speak, we will always pronounce the names correctly. Wasn't it the reason in the first place for chosing latin? Latin was the universal language of science and still is in a very fundamental way.

As for learning latin pronunciation, there are many sites on Google, like this one:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A657272
 
I agree with Shiva. Latin has raw pronounciation of the letters... I have heard a lot of times calling the Cymbidium -> Si-mbi-di-um, which is of course wrong, as in latin letter "c" stands for "k" in english...lol..... Similarly, Cyrtochilum is Ki-rto-chi-lum and not Si-rto-chi-lum.

And let's not forget the last syllables of the family names, as the -ceae syllable at the end of the name is pronounced here as "che" (like in cherry), influenced by italian language, but it is obviously pronounced "ke-ae", as every letter is pronounced in latin (there are some diphthongs though)... :)

But as Sirious noted, let the experts find out what is right and wrong and then we follow... :):):)
 
gonewild said:
I think you are correct. But it will depend on what strength and sound you put on the letters.

I would sound "ri" ree but someone else might sound it "rye"
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Yes, that's how I pronounce it... tig ree num.


Shiva said:
You don't need a book of pronunciation. You only have to pronounce the names as they were and are given in latin. Then no matter what language we speak, we will always pronounce the names correctly. Wasn't it the reason in the first place for chosing latin? Latin was the universal language of science and still is in a very fundamental way.

As for learning latin pronunciation, there are many sites on Google, like this one:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A657272
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In the case of tigrinum there is no problem as it is from Latin.

Problems occurs when a plant has been named after a person, a name "Latinised".

Regards, Mick
 
The rule is still the same as in Paph. wardii with the accent put on dee or Paph. chamberlainianum. The name of the person is only latinised at the end. Think again of Paph. emersonii (emersonee with the accent in the last syllable. Or fowleyee.
Once you understand the underlying principle, it becomes easy.
 
I've been waiting for someone to say that it's prounced mar-kee-a-num. But that's topic for a different discussion. ;)

As to pronunciation, I've had an ongoing debate with a friend over the proper pronunciation of Vuylstekeara. Any guesses?
 
I am an American, and therefore too arrogant and lazy to learn latin. So my pronunciation is always right, even when it is wrong, no matter what anyone says. :rollhappy:

I can't even trust people from other english speaking countries, like England, to help me out. I mean, have you heard how they say garage? Ghastly. :)

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Sirius said:
I am an American, and therefore too arrogant and lazy to learn latin. So my pronunciation is always right, even when it is wrong, no matter what anyone says. :rollhappy:
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I know! Top of the food chain! :rolleyes:
 
Sirius said:
I am an American, and therefore too arrogant and lazy to learn latin. So my pronunciation is always right, even when it is wrong, no matter what anyone says.
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:clap::clap:I'm with you, well not sure about the arrogant part ...
anyway then thank you for confirming my pronunciation is correct -
ty grin um!
 
Shiva said:
The rule is still the same as in Paph. wardii with the accent put on dee or Paph. chamberlainianum. The name of the person is only latinised at the end. Think again of Paph. emersonii (emersonee with the accent in the last syllable. Or fowleyee.
Once you understand the underlying principle, it becomes easy.
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Yes, but by "Latinising" a word, it gets away from a universal pronunciation standard.

Two other examples of names that people often correct me on are; Paph canhii and Paph tranlienianum.

In conversation I refer to canhii as Kang-ii and tranlienianum as chan lien ianum.

btw. How does Michael Ooi pronounce his name?


Regards, Mick
 
If you learn to speak a second or third language, like French, German or Spanish, won't you strive to get the best pronunciation possible? Won't you feel proud when you're complemented for your knowledge of this foreign language? I was born in a Quebec area 100% french speaking. My English professors were Diana Rigg, Patrick Macnee and the crew of the original starship Enterprise on television. I spent a lifetime learning to speak it and write it better and better and last spring, an english speaking orchid judge asked me if I was coming from England. :D Wow! I felt I had arrived at last.

Why shouldn't I strive to do the same with orchid names. After all this is my favorite hobby! There are exceptions in any language and situations never foreseen. We have to adapt. :)
 

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